All my features are beautiful and african. 1999”, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Somali_people#Genetics, Actually, Somalis aren’t from Upper Egypt but rather it’s the other way around; those who settled in Upper Egypt originally came from Somalia or the region which is today Somalia. Generally the solar UV and skin tone matches up pretty well, does somali people have any sort of biological advantage as there genes are diversed. Wallahi some of the rapists knew her and were asking for her. Sorry to be repetitive. Battaglia in 2008 though notes the origin to be in Jebel Sahaba / Lake Nubia – BOTH Sites are in SUDAN and not Egypt. Could you tell me more (all of what you know) about the male haplogroup T / formerly called K2-M70? (if any), “strong message to alienate africans, and african cohesion”. It very simple to see the moors have left their mark in Spain after ruling for 800 years and others to would have made left genetic link behind in their travel in Africa. Ethnic Somalis are all same, whether they’are from south, north, east or west. (Agree), mathilda37 – “Saying that E3b moved into North East Africa is wrong- it remained there during the backmigration ”, Back Migrated from where? if this hair was then soffetened by eurasian dna curly hair would be observed also wavy hair or eurasian hair could be oserved and wooly hair could be acheived by the nilotic genes . Somalis ahve teh same kinds of DNA as in upper Egyptians but in different proportions. Samiyah: It does not matter whether he is from the North or the South, or from other Somali areas in Djibouti, Ethiopia or NorthEast Kenya. While M78 might be from the horn, E-M215, the parent clade of E-M78, originated in East Africa during the paleolithic and subsequently, E-M215 spread to Northeast Africa. So clearly Punt was not in Asia but lets look further.. human development has taken at least a million year. All of these mutations come from M2. Most of us vary in lighter skin tones, we have delicate facial features and softer curly hair. there are no race called somalid ! Rapper Rylo Rodriguez Struggling Ordering Buttermilk Pancakes, Draya Michele in LA with Son Nathaniel (Niko), 18, Love & Marriage Huntsville Trailer Looks Wild, Harry and Meghan Deny reports in U.K. media that they are quitting social media, RHoSLC - Shareif didnt talk to Jen for 4 days after her meltdown at his party, Nicole Kidman And Javier Bardem Eyed To Play Lucille Ball And Desi Arnaz in Being The Ricardos. I am Somali and I can trace my origins back to Samaale, and there’s not a single gene of what you called caucasian is in my cells. STAN Fair, Stantonlikzaddy Some of them came from seafaring cultures, way before the Moorish Empire existed. As Somalis males would have european decent? You may be mistaken. Sampling bias- commonly using samples from northern Egypt, which as had more foreign influx from the Mediterranean and Near East as ‘representative’ of all Egyptians. You have an Article: “The Jarawa, Onge and Sentinelese of the Andaman islands.”. – the parent of the little group you’ve listed was North African, and it’s an absolute crock of crap that they are calling Southern Europeans Somalid. I know we Somalis come from some Ethiopian people, but why do you not think that these Asians come from Ethiopia? U6 also came through the Nile bottleneck in the same expansion that took m78 into East Africa (see maps). Because v32 is also found in Western Sudan I think it sort of removes the possibility that Individuals carrying V12* moved into East African and bore mutation V32. There are no more three Major races anymore. Even Egyptians themselves will tell you the purer ones live in southern Egypt. If these soldiers marry the indigenous, rape or have a casual interaction, they will definitely put their mark in the current race. I have always been mistaken Indian, Arab, Spanish, Italian and even Native Aboriginal and Half caucasian, because I have really soft and wavy hair, light skinned, and my features are very diffrent and don’t look african at all. Thank you for posting this, it is apreciated. Otherwise we would not have shared much features etc small eyes or tall. within a few years we will hear a whole new theorie, thats the way it goes. A ‘perceived superiority’ is not the tone I got from you. The Afrodescants that migrated trans-continentally to North America before Columbus didn't all come at the same time or from one place. Downstream: Inconsistent methodology and failure to look at broader more complex models of population genesis. Africa is a. This gave me a look that I am proud of and I think is mine or typical somali. DL3 is the predominate marker in East Africa,M1 and U6 are most likely African markers , therefor decreasing the Eurasian maternal in Somalis … M1 and U6 are also found in other Africans including West , Southeast and Southern Africans…. People did in fact travel from Ethiopia to Egypt to the Middle East, then turkey and then the Balkans …………….All along the way that Ethiopic strain of E3b (E1b1b) Mutated, and ultimately it will trace back to that Ethiopic strain of M35, that they still have to day in large numbers. I am actually surprised you haven’t seen these Egyptians on the web. I am tall, light skined, straight hair, almost straight nose. If you're anyone from an as of yet generally un-sampled (in terms of autosomal DNA) Horner ethnic group (Afar, Saho, Sidama, Gedeo, Kambaata, Gurage, Benadiri, non-Ari or Wolayta Omotic speaker, Somali Bantu etc. Oromo, Somali, Afar, Saho, Opposed to the Semitized Cushitics that have a significant minority of genetic Semites amongst them: I have the DNA studies by the scientist (Cruciani) who specialised in it that says that explicitly on this blog for reference. My grandfathers was so white and had blue eyes. Trump’s hold on his supporters is supernatural. So I think our genes are beautiful and should embrace your history rather then ignore, or hate. We are discussing other BLACK ethnic groups because you need to accept the fact that BLACK skin doesn't = African or a lack or indication of admixture. Also i was looking at the ISOGG chart and I am unable to find a reference for a mutation called M125 (is that a typ0?) If a group of People that Originated M35 go their separate ways that is what you have, different migrations of the SAME populations harboring M35* As I pointed out ( from memory here) they had a common ancestor in Egypt about 24k ago. There’s research and scientists that support this. It was done to observe if people with Somali ancestry who have done or intend to undertake a y-DNA / mt-DNA test. What is your exact hg? Some of the other pre-Colonial Black Europeans actually arrived as aristocrats. Damn, lol. When I was a teen age, I asked my mom if she had an Arab or any other blood, I asked because her skin is as white as the Russians and kids were mocking me callings mom to look like a doll. Technically all east Africans are more closely related to Eurasians than West Africans, but not so distantly to the San. As a Somali man who has lived in the Middle East for many years, I would rather be associated genetically with any race but Arabs or Jews. Sons of the Ethiopian Men traveling with M35* So Berber come from Sub-Saharans living in North Africa? thank you, matilda for the btw based on the Bell Curve Obama will be much worse a president than Bush, blame his genes! It is the easternmost projection of the African continent. It’s a founder effect from the neolithic (btw, that age for m81 is way too young). According to Cruciani et al. Even with their African E Y chromosomes Berbers cluster with Europeans and Arabs, not Ethiopians (barring Tuareg who aren’t genetically NW Africans and are pretty recent to the area). … and some wall paintings and texts make it very clear that Punt was close enough to Egypt to have to hand over tribute, and Somalia is too far away to be threatened by military action from Egypt. Although it appears really sparsely around Europe generally, but sometimes when it does it’s actually in European Jews (themselves originally with a more Middle Eastern or Asiatic type origin I believe). Do the Japanese have “Euro-type” hair? Another study by Brace et al. The project is open to all Somali from all regions (Somalia, … It’s vitally important to their ‘Egyptians are all 100% African’ casue to point out African gropups can occassionally have caucasian hair and light skin- unfortunately the only oines that do are the ones with Eurasian ancestry in them- so they find themselves denying East Africans have Eurasian ancestry as a way round that. 1 – They are darker and look much more like the Ancient pigments used in the paint. [b]No, and then some more no. If Punt was in Arabia I am pretty sure they would have been using Camels as pack animals. Means I have to delete an old entry. I am not sure if you study Chris Ehret but – Lets put it another way. Instead you just hit me with more numbers about migrations and things – which is fine but i would like to see you answer this question. Egyptian were euro asian ?! The older papers put m78 as East African in origin, but it’s incorrect. This was really interesting to read, and gave me a slight idea about backgrounds and genetics. ( Log Out / You cape for East Africans in this thread but are constantly throwing slight shade towards West Africans in every thread I see you in. “dark skin Afrocentric people were spread all over the planet”. but the Mathilda scientific article has discovered your arabocentrists lies ! we have black skin , ( and not mix race skin )and have beautiful detailed fetatures , like straight/wavey hair and light bone struture . I think “yes” is correct but he is getting the terms incorrect. Maybe you can clarify? Essentially mixed race to Europeans eyes. And technically, it’s West Asian (Arabia area) ancestry not European in east Africa. So deep-set is some of their insecurity that there’s not much one can do to help. Can you tell me how much percentage of each genes are in Somalis. I don’t get why everyone feels the need to argue over this one. In your British eurocentric mind although just about every people group on the planet has “straight” hair, it is all “Euro-type” hair to you. And my eyes r light brown. Just becasue they aren’t black doesn not mean they are not native to Africa. Hello mathilda37 You should really not be looking at all Eurasian DNA as been recent or non dynastic, as most of it does date back that far, and further. Any link to Ethiopia is purely from common ancestry in the upper Egypt/Nubia area about 24k ago. Arabid Matilda, you’re wrong. What I got was an understandable response to dealing with the blantant racism of other people, who are taking a superior tone with YOU…all whilst arguing against scientific facts. Im very light skin I have soft hair and I was born with gold hair. Are you stating that Somalis of today, came from a Cushitic dad and an Arab mother.But… where on earth did these women just came from, think of arab culture before you answer this question, whilst this mixing was occuring where were the Cushitic women. Not true of Ethiopians though, who show a lot of migrations into the area from West Asia and appear to be about 40% Eurasian in ancestry, when every test known to modern science is applied. You can be Eurocentrist, that’s fine as everyone has their opinion but you should let others speak because there’s no point having a blog when you don’t let those who challenge you to express themselves. V12 Somali people are closer to me than to any other E1b1b clade. In Somali pharaoh translates to firqoon. Can you not see that Somalis DO NOT HAVE “Euro-type” hair? after 20,000 you would still be white, with blue eyes. All the crania studies (Keita inc) point out Lower Egyptians were different to upper, with a closer relationship to Eurasian populations, with upper Egypt being very mixed. Don’t get pissy about my using an accurate descriptive word Colette. say hello to the bell curve. Zeta Saloman- Somalis are pretty closely related to Oromo. How come the comment I posted is not on here? My mom, looks egyptian, in fact my Kenyan friend couldn’t believe me when I told him. You can pick any sample from anywhere in somalia, ethiopia, kenya, or djibouti and compare them and without any surprise you’ll find them same. My fiancé is following his ex on IG from his business page. I do mean that When the M35 Arose in Ethiopia 24kya – some of that populations traveled north. Africa is the most diverse continent on this planet, researchers and scientists have noted. (agree? Looking specifically at Y and Mtdna markers Your example of the Ouldeme is a good one. The first homosepien was a somali that is why you will find bits of all varieties of genes in somalis period! Can you please explain this to me in so i can understand thanks. Proponents of the view that Puntites were from African have recognized that the Puntites were not black Africans. Our features are very similar to those of Somalians and Ethiopians and even north Africans. The Parent group of : Berbers, Somalis, and Egyptians is in fact Ethiopians/Sudanese. I have a question for you Mathilda. I just cannot believe they have actual gene’s for enthnicity, is anyone finding this troubling? Large studies ahev been done in Europe, generally black African ancesty in white Europeans is less than 1%. Somalia has nothing do with with Berbers at all, genetically or culturally. Because of our proximity to those people. This is an accurate description of much of the people in the East African region and the style of dress and the braided hair etc. You keep repeating the claim that East Africans are 40% Eurasian, because of the fact that their MtDNA show a degree of Caucasoid influence, but considering the fact that Albanians have 40% E1b1b and Greeks have 47% E1b1, which originated in the horn as indicated by the first study I posted, Albanians and Greeks must be 40% Cushitic, for lack of a better word. Actually they have near Eastern and not European ancestry. somalis are Sub-Saharan Africans. Modern Upper Egyptians actually have a near identical DNA mix to East Africans yet Afrocentrists insist in calling them half arabs- probably because their skin is ‘too light’. Politics. All credible DNA ancestry scientists will deny what you are saying and anyone can google to find reputable information from different sources. Dhalad, I agree…. I say no and so have many of my Arabic language professors. Anyway we are all different looking as the Somali community knows too well, some of us look Indian, Sri-lankan,arab(not caucasion),South American,Spanish or Mixed. U6mt-DNA is too specific to the Berbers, the highest concentration of U6 in the world it’s in Morocco 96% and the majority of countries of North Africa! I am from Somalia by origin and i live in west! i like your theorie luaguages is an important tool to trace any population.like any other luanguages we have some influence from outside but they are minimal.oromo afar and somali are close.arabe have little influence in the somali except for religious terms.no race is pure but ancient egyptian is in our blood.somali culture have egyptian influence. these metchoids are mixed with blacks giving rise to the first Ethiopiods lap northern Cameroon and south of the Sahara, E1b1b1a1b(E-V32)lineage’s ==>mixed race’s. Somaliland is Referred to in medieval times as Bilad al Barbar (”Land of the Berbers”). So that bit confuses me about how we lost our african traits and to add to that my cousins are half somali half german and they have very pale white skin with straight dark brown hair and green eyes. Modern day Somalis are descendents of the same father group of Berbers in Morocco, the ancient Phoenicians in Lebanon, 33% of Greeks, pretty much the old real Ancient Greeks, 45% of Albananians and Balkan Europeans, and North Africans with highest percentage in Morocco Berbers at 65% etc. Do you have any data about the Nilitic peoples in general and the Luo in particular? were not caucausion and have 0% white blood we are BLACK AFRICANS pure 100% okay may be at least98%. Mathilda: Why is it that Eurocentrists will say we are related to Eurasians and Afrocentrists will say the opposite. Both sides of my Arabic language professors Americans and causing confusion with your ass. Genetic marker comes DIRECTLY from M2 when their genetic marker for Berbers in... 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